review of final term of game #77

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opened 2026-09-29 21:54:03 +00:00 by robertismo · 3 comments

ngl the game was kinda easy... idk maybe not much you can gleam from a single turn frame but maybe something will be insightful

═══ TURN 15 ═══
The die falls: 6

  Bank 3 · cash 79,519 · deposits 355,097 · net position 7,385
  BALANCE SHEET  assets: loans 270,923 · bond assets 0 · commitments 12,040   liabilities: deposits 355,097 · bond debt 0
  deposit rate 0.6000%/turn (last turn 0.6000%)
  deposit pool being fought over: 109,600 (new 16,000 + churn 93,600) · your churn exposure: 53,265
  Bank 3, set deposit rate % [0–50.00] (Enter keeps 0.6000%):
  Bank 2           93,531 @ 0.0000%
  Bank 3          359,408 @ 0.6000%
  Bank 6           93,531 @ 0.0000%
  Bank 7           93,531 @ 0.0000%
  Average rate: 0.3369% +

  LOAN MARKET
  LOAN       AMOUNT     TERM  DEFAULTS
  140        17,502       17        19
  141        20,984       12        24
  142        37,848       12         2
  143        36,655       22        23
  144        37,977        7         2
  145        22,143       23        14
  146         9,135        7         7
  147        26,013       27         6
  148        42,914       27        14
  149        27,085        4        14

  Bank 3 — BID ON LOANS
  enter  loan# rate%   (e.g.  3 1.4) ·  u  undo last ·  d #  remove ·  Enter  submit
  LOAN       AMOUNT     TERM  DEFAULTS    YOUR RATE
  > 149 2
  LOAN       AMOUNT     TERM  DEFAULTS    YOUR RATE
  149        27,085        4        14      2.0000%
             27,085      4.0               2.0000%
  capital commitment 27,085 · effective rate 2.0000% · effective term 4.0 turns · cash 83,830
  > 146 2
  LOAN       AMOUNT     TERM  DEFAULTS    YOUR RATE
  149        27,085        4        14      2.0000%
  146         9,135        7         7      2.0000%
             36,220      4.8               2.0000%
  capital commitment 36,220 · effective rate 2.0000% · effective term 4.8 turns · cash 83,830
  > 144 2
  LOAN       AMOUNT     TERM  DEFAULTS    YOUR RATE
  149        27,085        4        14      2.0000%
  146         9,135        7         7      2.0000%
  144        37,977        7         2      2.0000%
             74,197      5.9               2.0000%
  capital commitment 74,197 · effective rate 2.0000% · effective term 5.9 turns · cash 83,830
  >
  Bank 3: you won 3 loans this turn (details below).

═══ TURN 15 ═══
  The die falls: 6
  deposit flow: 109600 moved
    Bank 2           93,531 @ 0.0000%
    Bank 3          359,408 @ 0.6000%
    Bank 6           93,531 @ 0.0000%
    Bank 7           93,531 @ 0.0000%
    Average rate: 0.3369% +
  LOAN MARKET: 6 of 10 loans taken, 150,530 funded of 278,255 demanded; rates 2.87% to 3.67% per turn
    you win loan 144 (37977, 7t) at 3.6733%/turn
    you win loan 146 (9135, 7t) at 3.6733%/turn
    you win loan 149 (27085, 4t) at 3.6733%/turn

  Bank 3 — OFFER BONDS  (fixed term 10 turns, face 1,000)
  enter  price units   (e.g.  950 20) ·  u  undo last ·  d #  remove ·  Enter  submit
  PRICE       UNITS  COMMITMENT IMPLIED / TURN
  >

  BOND MARKET
  PRICE       UNITS TURNS LEFT IMPLIED / TURN
  750             8         2       16.6667%
  755             8         1       32.4503%

  Bank 3 — TAKE BONDS  (fixed term 10 turns, face 1,000)
  PRICE       UNITS TURNS LEFT IMPLIED / TURN
  750             8         2       16.6667%
  755             8         1       32.4503%
  cash wanted (Enter to skip):
  Bank 3, auction for Bank 2: your cash bid (Enter = 0): 897
  *** Bank 2 IS INSOLVENT. Books published, auction opens. ***
    Bank 3 bids 897
    Bank 6 bids 0
    Bank 7 bids 0
  Bank 3 acquires Bank 2's position for 0 (second price)
  GAME OVER after 15 turns. Winner: Bank 3

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  Bank 3 — FINANCIAL REPORT — END OF TURN 15 (die: 6)
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  BALANCE SHEET
    Cash on hand                            82,672
    Loans outstanding (net)                372,790
    Bond investments (at book)                   0
    Bond market commitments                  6,000
    Total assets                           461,462

    Deposits (liability)                   452,939
    Bond debt (face)                             0
    Total liabilities                      452,939

    NET POSITION (equity)                    8,523

  INCOME STATEMENT (this turn)
    Loan interest income                    10,383
    Bond interest income                         0
    Recovery income                              0
    Loan write-offs                          -1941
    Deposit interest expense                 -2156
    Bond interest expense                       -0
    Operating expense                        -2000
    Gain (loss) on acquisition               -3147
    ─────────────────────────────
    NET INCOME                               1,138

  STATEMENT OF CASH FLOWS (this turn)
  Operating activities
    Loan interest received                  10,383
    Loan principal received                 49,593
    Loans made                              -74197
    Deposit interest paid                    -2156
    Operating expense paid                   -2000
    Net cash from operations                -18377
  Investing activities
    Bond commitments returned                6,040
    Acquisitions of failed banks            11,179
    Net cash from investing                 17,219
  Financing activities
    Net deposits in/out                      4,311
    Net cash from financing                  4,311
    ─────────────────────────────
    NET CHANGE IN CASH                       3,153
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  Bank 6 — FINANCIAL REPORT — END OF TURN 15 (die: 6)
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  BALANCE SHEET
    Cash on hand                            28,585
    Loans outstanding (net)                 71,776
    Bond investments (at book)                   0
    Bond market commitments                      0
    Total assets                           100,362

    Deposits (liability)                    93,531
    Bond debt (face)                             0
    Total liabilities                       93,531

    NET POSITION (equity)                    6,831

  INCOME STATEMENT (this turn)
    Loan interest income                     2,732
    Bond interest income                         0
    Recovery income                              0
    Loan write-offs                             -0
    Deposit interest expense                    -0
    Bond interest expense                       -0
    Operating expense                        -2000
    ─────────────────────────────
    NET INCOME                                 732

  STATEMENT OF CASH FLOWS (this turn)
  Operating activities
    Loan interest received                   2,732
    Loan principal received                  6,920
    Operating expense paid                   -2000
    Net cash from operations                 7,651
  Investing activities
    Net cash from investing                      0
  Financing activities
    Net deposits in/out                      3,896
    Net cash from financing                  3,896
    ─────────────────────────────
    NET CHANGE IN CASH                      11,548
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  Bank 7 — FINANCIAL REPORT — END OF TURN 15 (die: 6)
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  BALANCE SHEET
    Cash on hand                            17,653
    Loans outstanding (net)                 77,508
    Bond investments (at book)                   0
    Bond market commitments                      0
    Total assets                            95,161

    Deposits (liability)                    93,531
    Bond debt (face)                             0
    Total liabilities                       93,531

    NET POSITION (equity)                    1,631

  INCOME STATEMENT (this turn)
    Loan interest income                     2,665
    Bond interest income                         0
    Recovery income                              0
    Loan write-offs                           -821
    Deposit interest expense                    -0
    Bond interest expense                       -0
    Operating expense                        -2000
    ─────────────────────────────
    NET INCOME                                -156

  STATEMENT OF CASH FLOWS (this turn)
  Operating activities
    Loan interest received                   2,665
    Loan principal received                  6,268
    Loans made                              -58832
    Operating expense paid                   -2000
    Net cash from operations                -51898
  Investing activities
    Net cash from investing                      0
  Financing activities
    Net deposits in/out                      3,896
    Net cash from financing                  3,896
    ─────────────────────────────
    NET CHANGE IN CASH                      -48002
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════════ FINAL RANKING ════════
 1. Bank 3                8,523  (standing)
 2. Bank 6                6,831  (standing)
 3. Bank 7                1,631  (standing)
 4. Bank 8                 -477  (bankrupt)
 5. Bank 1                -1763  (bankrupt)
 6. Bank 5                -1763  (bankrupt)
 7. Bank 2                -3147  (bankrupt)
 8. Bank 4                -3234  (bankrupt)
ngl the game was kinda easy... idk maybe not much you can gleam from a single turn frame but maybe something will be insightful ``` ═══ TURN 15 ═══ The die falls: 6 Bank 3 · cash 79,519 · deposits 355,097 · net position 7,385 BALANCE SHEET assets: loans 270,923 · bond assets 0 · commitments 12,040 liabilities: deposits 355,097 · bond debt 0 deposit rate 0.6000%/turn (last turn 0.6000%) deposit pool being fought over: 109,600 (new 16,000 + churn 93,600) · your churn exposure: 53,265 Bank 3, set deposit rate % [0–50.00] (Enter keeps 0.6000%): Bank 2 93,531 @ 0.0000% Bank 3 359,408 @ 0.6000% Bank 6 93,531 @ 0.0000% Bank 7 93,531 @ 0.0000% Average rate: 0.3369% + LOAN MARKET LOAN AMOUNT TERM DEFAULTS 140 17,502 17 19 141 20,984 12 24 142 37,848 12 2 143 36,655 22 23 144 37,977 7 2 145 22,143 23 14 146 9,135 7 7 147 26,013 27 6 148 42,914 27 14 149 27,085 4 14 Bank 3 — BID ON LOANS enter loan# rate% (e.g. 3 1.4) · u undo last · d # remove · Enter submit LOAN AMOUNT TERM DEFAULTS YOUR RATE > 149 2 LOAN AMOUNT TERM DEFAULTS YOUR RATE 149 27,085 4 14 2.0000% 27,085 4.0 2.0000% capital commitment 27,085 · effective rate 2.0000% · effective term 4.0 turns · cash 83,830 > 146 2 LOAN AMOUNT TERM DEFAULTS YOUR RATE 149 27,085 4 14 2.0000% 146 9,135 7 7 2.0000% 36,220 4.8 2.0000% capital commitment 36,220 · effective rate 2.0000% · effective term 4.8 turns · cash 83,830 > 144 2 LOAN AMOUNT TERM DEFAULTS YOUR RATE 149 27,085 4 14 2.0000% 146 9,135 7 7 2.0000% 144 37,977 7 2 2.0000% 74,197 5.9 2.0000% capital commitment 74,197 · effective rate 2.0000% · effective term 5.9 turns · cash 83,830 > Bank 3: you won 3 loans this turn (details below). ═══ TURN 15 ═══ The die falls: 6 deposit flow: 109600 moved Bank 2 93,531 @ 0.0000% Bank 3 359,408 @ 0.6000% Bank 6 93,531 @ 0.0000% Bank 7 93,531 @ 0.0000% Average rate: 0.3369% + LOAN MARKET: 6 of 10 loans taken, 150,530 funded of 278,255 demanded; rates 2.87% to 3.67% per turn you win loan 144 (37977, 7t) at 3.6733%/turn you win loan 146 (9135, 7t) at 3.6733%/turn you win loan 149 (27085, 4t) at 3.6733%/turn Bank 3 — OFFER BONDS (fixed term 10 turns, face 1,000) enter price units (e.g. 950 20) · u undo last · d # remove · Enter submit PRICE UNITS COMMITMENT IMPLIED / TURN > BOND MARKET PRICE UNITS TURNS LEFT IMPLIED / TURN 750 8 2 16.6667% 755 8 1 32.4503% Bank 3 — TAKE BONDS (fixed term 10 turns, face 1,000) PRICE UNITS TURNS LEFT IMPLIED / TURN 750 8 2 16.6667% 755 8 1 32.4503% cash wanted (Enter to skip): Bank 3, auction for Bank 2: your cash bid (Enter = 0): 897 *** Bank 2 IS INSOLVENT. Books published, auction opens. *** Bank 3 bids 897 Bank 6 bids 0 Bank 7 bids 0 Bank 3 acquires Bank 2's position for 0 (second price) GAME OVER after 15 turns. Winner: Bank 3 ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ Bank 3 — FINANCIAL REPORT — END OF TURN 15 (die: 6) ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ BALANCE SHEET Cash on hand 82,672 Loans outstanding (net) 372,790 Bond investments (at book) 0 Bond market commitments 6,000 Total assets 461,462 Deposits (liability) 452,939 Bond debt (face) 0 Total liabilities 452,939 NET POSITION (equity) 8,523 INCOME STATEMENT (this turn) Loan interest income 10,383 Bond interest income 0 Recovery income 0 Loan write-offs -1941 Deposit interest expense -2156 Bond interest expense -0 Operating expense -2000 Gain (loss) on acquisition -3147 ───────────────────────────── NET INCOME 1,138 STATEMENT OF CASH FLOWS (this turn) Operating activities Loan interest received 10,383 Loan principal received 49,593 Loans made -74197 Deposit interest paid -2156 Operating expense paid -2000 Net cash from operations -18377 Investing activities Bond commitments returned 6,040 Acquisitions of failed banks 11,179 Net cash from investing 17,219 Financing activities Net deposits in/out 4,311 Net cash from financing 4,311 ───────────────────────────── NET CHANGE IN CASH 3,153 ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ Bank 6 — FINANCIAL REPORT — END OF TURN 15 (die: 6) ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ BALANCE SHEET Cash on hand 28,585 Loans outstanding (net) 71,776 Bond investments (at book) 0 Bond market commitments 0 Total assets 100,362 Deposits (liability) 93,531 Bond debt (face) 0 Total liabilities 93,531 NET POSITION (equity) 6,831 INCOME STATEMENT (this turn) Loan interest income 2,732 Bond interest income 0 Recovery income 0 Loan write-offs -0 Deposit interest expense -0 Bond interest expense -0 Operating expense -2000 ───────────────────────────── NET INCOME 732 STATEMENT OF CASH FLOWS (this turn) Operating activities Loan interest received 2,732 Loan principal received 6,920 Operating expense paid -2000 Net cash from operations 7,651 Investing activities Net cash from investing 0 Financing activities Net deposits in/out 3,896 Net cash from financing 3,896 ───────────────────────────── NET CHANGE IN CASH 11,548 ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ Bank 7 — FINANCIAL REPORT — END OF TURN 15 (die: 6) ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ BALANCE SHEET Cash on hand 17,653 Loans outstanding (net) 77,508 Bond investments (at book) 0 Bond market commitments 0 Total assets 95,161 Deposits (liability) 93,531 Bond debt (face) 0 Total liabilities 93,531 NET POSITION (equity) 1,631 INCOME STATEMENT (this turn) Loan interest income 2,665 Bond interest income 0 Recovery income 0 Loan write-offs -821 Deposit interest expense -0 Bond interest expense -0 Operating expense -2000 ───────────────────────────── NET INCOME -156 STATEMENT OF CASH FLOWS (this turn) Operating activities Loan interest received 2,665 Loan principal received 6,268 Loans made -58832 Operating expense paid -2000 Net cash from operations -51898 Investing activities Net cash from investing 0 Financing activities Net deposits in/out 3,896 Net cash from financing 3,896 ───────────────────────────── NET CHANGE IN CASH -48002 ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ════════ FINAL RANKING ════════ 1. Bank 3 8,523 (standing) 2. Bank 6 6,831 (standing) 3. Bank 7 1,631 (standing) 4. Bank 8 -477 (bankrupt) 5. Bank 1 -1763 (bankrupt) 6. Bank 5 -1763 (bankrupt) 7. Bank 2 -3147 (bankrupt) 8. Bank 4 -3234 (bankrupt) ```
Owner

Reading the frame, three things jump out before I touch any code:

1. The loan market has a dominant lowball strategy, and it's yours. You bid 2.0000% and won at 3.6733% on all three loans. That gap is Vickrey working as designed (winner receives the SECOND-lowest rate, which is above your own bid — the runner-up's true valuation). Consequence: your bid only decides whether you WIN, never what you earn, so the optimal bid is always the floor. Every AI bids its honest valuation (2.87–3.67%), you bid 2%, you sweep at their rates. If you'd bid 0.1% on all 10 loans you'd have won all 10 at 2.87–3.67%. That one asymmetry is doing a lot of the 'easy'. (It also means the AI floor-bidders can never undercut you profitably — undercutting only changes the second price, not your payout.) This may need a ruling from you: keep Vickrey, or make the winner stand by its own bid (pay-your-bid), or cap the winner's payout at its own bid. I'll put numbers to each option.

2. The deposit market was abandoned by every AI. All seven AI banks posted 0.0000% while you paid 0.6% and captured ~100k of the 109.6k pool per turn. Paying 0.6% (~2.2k/turn) to monopolize 100k/turn of funding is the best trade in the game, and every AI left it on the table. Your 355k deposit base vs their 93k is the actual 'easy'. I need to find out WHY they're all at zero — which brains these were, and whether their rate logic degenerates at this config.

3. The opposition died before you met it. Five AIs bankrupt by turn 15; the two survivors are passive (tiny loan books, zero rate bids). The aggressive funding brains appear to have self-destructed early, leaving the parking brains — that's why the endgame felt empty. The acquisition you made for 0 on Bank 2's −3,147 book was correct (second price 0, the other bidders rationally bid 0 for a negative net).

So my plan: reconstruct this config (8 players, ~d30 die, new 16k, churn 15%, op 2,000, loan terms to 27), run it headless with AI-only rosters across seeds, and measure exactly who dies when and what rates everyone posts. Then I'll come back with the numbers and fix what the data says is broken — brain logic where it's a brain bug, engine ruling where it's the auction.

Reading the frame, three things jump out before I touch any code: **1. The loan market has a dominant lowball strategy, and it's yours.** You bid 2.0000% and won at 3.6733% on all three loans. That gap is Vickrey working as designed (winner receives the SECOND-lowest rate, which is above your own bid — the runner-up's true valuation). Consequence: your bid only decides whether you WIN, never what you earn, so the optimal bid is always the floor. Every AI bids its honest valuation (2.87–3.67%), you bid 2%, you sweep at their rates. If you'd bid 0.1% on all 10 loans you'd have won all 10 at 2.87–3.67%. That one asymmetry is doing a lot of the 'easy'. (It also means the AI floor-bidders can never undercut you profitably — undercutting only changes the second price, not your payout.) This may need a ruling from you: keep Vickrey, or make the winner stand by its own bid (pay-your-bid), or cap the winner's payout at its own bid. I'll put numbers to each option. **2. The deposit market was abandoned by every AI.** All seven AI banks posted 0.0000% while you paid 0.6% and captured ~100k of the 109.6k pool per turn. Paying 0.6% (~2.2k/turn) to monopolize 100k/turn of funding is the best trade in the game, and every AI left it on the table. Your 355k deposit base vs their 93k is the actual 'easy'. I need to find out WHY they're all at zero — which brains these were, and whether their rate logic degenerates at this config. **3. The opposition died before you met it.** Five AIs bankrupt by turn 15; the two survivors are passive (tiny loan books, zero rate bids). The aggressive funding brains appear to have self-destructed early, leaving the parking brains — that's why the endgame felt empty. The acquisition you made for 0 on Bank 2's −3,147 book was correct (second price 0, the other bidders rationally bid 0 for a negative net). So my plan: reconstruct this config (8 players, ~d30 die, new 16k, churn 15%, op 2,000, loan terms to 27), run it headless with AI-only rosters across seeds, and measure exactly who dies when and what rates everyone posts. Then I'll come back with the numbers and fix what the data says is broken — brain logic where it's a brain bug, engine ruling where it's the auction.
Author
  1. to answer, no you need better AI that can realize it is getting cheesed, but don't worry full ai overhaul will come for v0.5.0
  2. during the game I had little in the way of deposit challenges, and the few who had higher(but lower than me) deposits just failed and I at them for $0 at auction.
  3. I think we just need a full ai system overhaul
1. to answer, no you need better AI that can realize it is getting cheesed, but don't worry full ai overhaul will come for v0.5.0 2. during the game I had little in the way of deposit challenges, and the few who had higher(but lower than me) deposits just failed and I at them for $0 at auction. 3. I think we just need a full ai system overhaul
Owner

Ruling received - engine stays as-is, the AI must get good enough to notice the cheese. Agreed, and the data backs the "full overhaul" conclusion. What the reproduction measured, so v0.5.0 starts from numbers and not vibes:

Your exact config, 20 seeds, AI-only (current master brains):

  • vault never plays. All 40 vault seats park at the same inert fixed point (equity 10,488, every seed, every game length). Zero deaths, zero wins - a spectator, not an opponent.
  • adapt, empire, mill each die 70% of the time (28 of 40 seats each). Median game length ~10 turns. In 8 of 20 games the entire table wipes out - no bank left standing, no winner at all.
  • Winners among the 12 decided games: mill 7, empire 4, adapt 1.

So at your play config the human's real opposition is roughly two-thirds dead by turn 10, one-third parked, and 40% of the time the AI market fully collapses on its own. Eating the leftovers for $0 at auction is the rational endgame of that - the auction isn't the problem, the corpses are.

The two structural causes, named:

  1. No brain contests deposits. Every deposit hook in every brain (across both the v0.4.0 release and current master) is the same follower formula: market-avg-rate minus an offset. Nobody ever posts above the market average, so whatever the human pays wins the pool outright - your "little in the way of deposit challenges" is structural, not situational. This is also precisely the shared-calc dial-permutation pattern you banned for the loan side; the deposit side still has it.
  2. Nobody notices the loan cheese. The winner receives the second-lowest rate, so a human bidding the floor sweeps the shelf at the runner-up's price. Correct Vickrey, and per your ruling it stays: the fix is an AI that detects the second-price ratchet and stops being the runner-up, not an engine change.

What I'd put in the v0.5.0 overhaul brief (tracked in #26): distinct per-brain deposit models with at least one structural leader; cheese detection (second-price awareness, respond to being ratcheted); term-compounded default pricing (the flat die-rank underprices the 27-turn loans at this config - that's what's killing the three lenders); and a survival floor so the table stops wiping out 40% of the time.

Ruling received - engine stays as-is, the AI must get good enough to notice the cheese. Agreed, and the data backs the "full overhaul" conclusion. What the reproduction measured, so v0.5.0 starts from numbers and not vibes: **Your exact config, 20 seeds, AI-only (current master brains):** - **vault never plays.** All 40 vault seats park at the same inert fixed point (equity 10,488, every seed, every game length). Zero deaths, zero wins - a spectator, not an opponent. - **adapt, empire, mill each die 70% of the time** (28 of 40 seats each). Median game length ~10 turns. In 8 of 20 games the entire table wipes out - no bank left standing, no winner at all. - Winners among the 12 decided games: mill 7, empire 4, adapt 1. So at your play config the human's real opposition is roughly two-thirds dead by turn 10, one-third parked, and 40% of the time the AI market fully collapses on its own. Eating the leftovers for $0 at auction is the rational endgame of that - the auction isn't the problem, the corpses are. **The two structural causes, named:** 1. **No brain contests deposits.** Every deposit hook in every brain (across both the v0.4.0 release and current master) is the same follower formula: market-avg-rate minus an offset. Nobody ever posts above the market average, so whatever the human pays wins the pool outright - your "little in the way of deposit challenges" is structural, not situational. This is also precisely the shared-calc dial-permutation pattern you banned for the loan side; the deposit side still has it. 2. **Nobody notices the loan cheese.** The winner receives the second-lowest rate, so a human bidding the floor sweeps the shelf at the runner-up's price. Correct Vickrey, and per your ruling it stays: the fix is an AI that detects the second-price ratchet and stops being the runner-up, not an engine change. **What I'd put in the v0.5.0 overhaul brief** (tracked in #26): distinct per-brain deposit models with at least one structural leader; cheese detection (second-price awareness, respond to being ratcheted); term-compounded default pricing (the flat die-rank underprices the 27-turn loans at this config - that's what's killing the three lenders); and a survival floor so the table stops wiping out 40% of the time.
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